It pops up every time i google "best dietary source of _____" -- the website lists a whole sluagh* of vegetarian-type foods and ignores animal sources (except cheese -- preferably low-fat) completely.
THIS may be one reason that superficial readers are convinced plant-based diets are healthier. PLANTS, they read contain AAAAAALLLL these nutrients, and what's in animal-sourced foods? Saturated fats and protein ... which you can get anywhere! I mean, there's more protein in broccoli than in steak!
LIES ... and equivocations. On a per-calorie basis, there IS more protein in broccoli, but do you know how many pounds of it you'd have to eat to get enough? Gotcha.
On one scientific site, i found the information that phosphorus is most abundant in animal products but is so ubiquitous that if you get enough protein and calcium you'll get enough P. There's a lot in whole cereal grains, but it's a storage form which the human body neither absorbs nor uses well. But go to a certain POPULAR (rather than fact-centered) site and you hear that THE BEST source is whole wheat.
LIE. No equivocation.
The nutritional-information world is full of this kind of misinformation. I've no doubt that most of the sites pass on their fallacies in good conscience, having sourced them from sites THEY trust. The onus lies on the smug egos of people like Campbell and Ornish -- they publish, as "SCIENTISTS" that meat causes harm and vegetarianism is ideal.
MORE LIES.
Sorry, boys, the best dietary source of almost anything comes from animals. If it isn't contained in liver, oysters or steak tartare, you don't need it.
TRUTH.
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* pronounced "sloo." it's an Americanism derived from Irish Gaelic and it means "a host" -- ie, a lot. has nothing to do with imaginary creatures.
Tess, I have noticed that as well on nutritional sites. They glorify all the fruit, grain and vegetable sources mostly but I usually check out more than one site to ensure accuracy.
ReplyDeleteRegarding oysters, I hate them so I would replace them with herring.
As far as the vegans go, the world is definitely overpopulated so let those who want to become vegan become vegan.
i don't think the typical veg*n pays any attention to the absorbability or usability of the nutrients within their diet. how many of them know, for instance, that almost half of British (and logically, British-descended Americans) don't adequately convert beta-carotene to active vitamin A?
Deleteoops, that's British WOMEN. :-)
DeleteSome people are difinitely self destructive, the problem starts when they try to influence members of your family or, even worse , could became the part of your family. I noticed with horror that the inclination to try to live mostly on plants is very widespread in our population, and I personally know several people who suffer from such choice. In order to be fair I must add that even more people are unhealthy due to eating industrial food.
Delete"If it isn't contained in liver, oysters or steak tartare, you don't need it."
ReplyDeleteSO - is that ALL you eat??
First dollar of July to Heifer International. Yay!
Deletehe's not abusive yet, Lori.... ;-) Charles, no. i eat what i want, but not things that disagree with my system.
DeleteIf you're talking about people who think their dingy teeth are from all those colorful vegetables they're eating, that obligate carnivores can live on grass, that people can learn to be breatharians, you can't have a conversation about nutrient absorption. You might as well talk about evolution with a young-earth creationist.
ReplyDeletethat's for damn sure! :-) ...not that there aren't idiots among EVERY group, including paleo/primals!
Deletei'd hate to get rid of my cat meme and the "pass me by" theme song ... but there's THIS: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EnrWZiqgv1E
ReplyDeleteYou are talking about one of my favorite subjects aka the history of dietary taboos. Greg Ellis's book "The Glycation Factor" has interesting take about the history of the promotion of vegetarianism in ancient culture like India and ancient Greece among the Pythagoreans along the health problem that always occurred i.e. dental decay diabetes, etc...
ReplyDeleteWhat all these cults have in common is an hated of the physical body as the source all evil desires i.e. sex the carnal pursuits. Ironically these same mystic cult worship magic mushrooms, weed, and any plants that make them high or stoned in their pursuit of "out of body" experiences. In short, excessive consumption of plants is related to trying the kill being physically present in the body aka sanity.
Fat is needed to make sex hormones and is therefore demonized for the peasant classes as a form of eugenics along with the issue of nervous system development.
Every civilization that becomes more and more dependent on grain surplus actually created an artificial population boom in population of both people and domesticated animals which further destroyed their soil.
The farther mankind gets away from its golden evolutionary period i.e. when are brains and body where developing the fastest i.e. when we hunting the megafauna and eating arthropods like crazy we go downhill physically.
It doesn't take much to figure out the critical value of animal products. Watch the reality TV series Naked and Afraid and ask yourself why is everyone always trying to hunt rather constantly grazing of all the native plant life?
The bigger question is how is it that a practically carnivorous species by percentage of calories become convinced that plants and especially milled starches where the "staff of life" and luxury sugar sources for the rich i.e. fruits are critical health food? How is such mass delusion for possible?
interesting -- i'll have to read along some of the lines your comment has suggested.
Deleteare you familiar with Jan Kwasniewski ("the Polish Atkins")? he refers to the grain-heavy diet that we're all encouraged to eat as "slave food."
Or as Wooo calls it "peasant food", the trendies paying $$$ for their ancient grains and wild rice. Lately I found my appetite was getting out of control and I was getting weight creep. I went back to basics, just meat/fish/eggs, no veggies, and have had effortless weight loss (back to normal), superior satiety, contentment and appetite control, lowering of fasting and PP blood sugars and energy to burn!! There is no appetite suppression though, I eat ad lib large amounts (a whole chicken to myself) but that post hunger anxiety has gone. Obviously a high protein diet is what my body loves (not necessarily high fat, it's the protein that satiates me) but I'm just worried about the long term effects and whether this is just too extreme ..??
ReplyDeleteJasmine, it is possible that the people who lost extreme amount of weight, have to follow extreme diet to avoid weight regain, may be it is your case. Is eating things like leafy greens also problematic for you?
DeleteI follow the hypothesis that when satiety is a problem, there's a micronutrient that your body still wants you to get more of. (I could be wrong, of course, because this is a problem I haven't had myself, so I've not had to try to solve it.)
DeleteI also agree with Galina about her comment. since I DO have problems eating a lot of vegetables myself, i'd ask you also if you've tried low-histamine/tyramine/salicylate and low FODMAP plans....
You might look at the Great Starvation Experiment (there's a book about it). A group of volunteers went on a starvation diet for a year--and ate like mad afterward. The study was written up by our old friend Ancel Keys.
DeleteThanks for your comments. I was eating what I consider safe veggies for me i.e broccoli, cabbage, brussel sprouts and baked/fried onions and usually one veggie at a time (I don't mix them apart from sometimes onion). It got to the stage where I became obsessed with brussel sprouts and I was always hungry afterwards, no matter how many I ate. Total elimination of veggies has resulted in better health, appetite and hunger control, and trust me I eat a lot of protein. Maybe these big feeds on satiating protein is affecting my leptin levels by telling my body there's a feast and no famine. I feel like a cavewoman. I don't know anybody bar you internet people IRL who eat like this.
DeleteI'm also taking a Metamucil type of ground fibre psyllium which is working brilliantly, so that is probably helping my well-being on such high protein. Funny how those whole psyllium seeds seemed to make matters worse but the ground powder is excellent - sorry for TMI, but just in case anyone was wondering.... from all the protein.
Deleteonly we nutty health-seekers can talk about poo without feeling weird! :-D
DeleteIt is obligatoire over at FTA hehe....
DeleteJust thinking about what Galina said and she's spot on as usual...extreme weight loss may require an extreme diet...so true. If I had a disease where I had to follow a strict avoidance diet I would, what is different in this case. Regaining 100lbs and all the problems and cravings that came with it, or retaining a smaller size with better health benefits by having to live with an extreme nutrition plan..even if I succumb to a disease it would have most likely originated from many years of overeating SAD.
Thank you,Jasmine. I think that cooked and caramelized Brussels sprouts are not equal to leafy raw greens diet wise. I noticed that sometimes I can't stop eating sauteed cabbage, for example, but raw and fermented cabbage do not sent me for second helpings especially when consumed with meat. Onions contain a lot of carbohydrates, I think in you case you may opt for green onions when you want sauteed ones. Anyway, Probably for the people who lost 100+ lb like you safest options are raw green things like cucumbers, lettuce, celery, herbs. Second safest are cooked mushrooms and not green veggies with a lot of vinegar.
DeleteI remember reading that ancient romans consumed phcyllium when they ate too much meat, it was expensive remedy for the reich.
Thanks so obviously the veggies I crave are the high carb ones! I don't eat lettuce, cucumber or celery..bleh...but it is winter here ATM so I like the comfort of warm caramelized onions and brussel sprouts. I will just have to suck it in and start eating lettuce and spinach leaves. I love mushrooms but if anyone knows how to make celery palatable I would be thrilled. Thanks ladies you are a great support and help to me, I really appreciate it. Wouldn't it be great if we could all sit down and have a chat, so much in common, but I live half a world away.
DeleteMay be zucchini noodles made with a vegetable peeler , warmed up not complitely cooked served with Hollandaise sauce, soup with spinach/Sorel with added crashed hardboiled eggs could be nice cold weather options? I don't like celery myself.
Deletecelery cooked in dishes (Chinese dishes and soups) I love, but I've NEVER liked it raw. Jasmine, do you have the cookbook "Fat Fast"? It has recipes for things like creamed spinach, coleslaw and stuffed mushrooms that are wonderful.
DeleteYes--cream of celery soup. It tastes like potato soup.
DeleteNo I will have to look that cookbook up and cream of spinach or celery soup sounds delicious. Just to let you know I am down to my lowest weight ever...even family who see me every day are saying I look like a scarecrow or I need to eat "more burgers". This is from eating as much protein (in my case chicken, beef and fish) to satiety, no counting of calories and with the fat in that meat/under skin the calories would be massive. I feel full of energy and fantastic, wanting to exercise every day, my nails are growing, my hair is soft..and no hunger. I tried to add in the nuts and choc and greens that Wooo eats, and a deck of cards portion of meat recommended by Ron Rosedale and Nora G but I was getting hunger, cravings and weight creep. I am back now to eating as per J Stanton recommends now, mainly meat and will throw in safe veggie now and then. It just is so important for us to try different methods and stick with the one that works, even if it would be seen as highly unhealthy by most of the medical community. I would love to eat fruit, nuts and dark chocolate, veggies and small amount of meat but it just is not right for me.It's good to find people such as yourselves on the internet who can see beyond so called expert opinions.
DeleteApologies for spelling and grammar as I am typing this with no reading glasses. Still waiting for protein to fix my aging eyes but it ain't gonna happen....
Delete:-D Jasmine, your comment contains so much good news you could spell a WHOLE LOT worse and it would still be something to celebrate! ;-) it's such a great thing when people find what really works for them ... and they don't let others' opinions derail them! BRAVISSIMA!!!
DeleteJasmine-thanks for giving me courage! U too Tess! And Galina! Oh hell....everyone of you!
Delete:-D I like your attitude!
DeleteIt's incredible that even with all the work being done to expose the lies...that people still believe them. I believed them until as a vegan my health began to suffer. Then, I discovered the truth and regained my health and bone mass!
ReplyDeleteExperiencing is believing! But there's a lot of human psychology to get over, in order to get people to try that new experience. We have to overcome a lifetime of people hearing "saturated fat causes heart disease" and "eating fat makes you fat" and "HEART-HEALTHY WHOLE GRAINS!!!" :-) Doctors who have been repeating this stuff for decades probably have a VERY hard time saying to their patients "i was wrong before -- now do exactly what I told you NOT to, before!"
Delete"If it isn't contained in liver, oysters or steak tartare, you don't need it."
ReplyDeleteI admire that sentiment. I don't know if it's universally true, but it certainly has been my experience. Yet reading Woo and Bill, etc., I get the feeling most think a diet without vegetables is far from optimal. Meh, I repeatedly feel far from optimal adding back these vegetal superfoods.
really, me too. onions, garlic and peppers are just more "seasonings." mushrooms are edible vessels for boursin cheese. tomatoes are a sauce base. artichokes are a vehicle for seasoned olive oil.... i wish i didn't like vegetables as well as i do, because it's too easy to eat so many my gut screams at me.
Deletebut my original point was, liver, oysters and raw meat DO contain every nutrient we need. ;-)