Gwen has a VERY good post up (while she's busy traveling, it's a guest post) about weight regain. It, in conjunction with Tom-the-FatHead's current experimentation with resistant starch, made me remark to myself that it's easy to see why people regain the fat they so painstakingly lost! You see, the most obesogenic foods are SNEAKY -- you don't notice the damage they do until it's done.
Some of us have been able to heal decades of damage through eliminating the elements that wrought the havoc. Paleo-type elimination diets are outstanding for this, as was Donaldson's "strong medicine" regimen of getting off the "allergy bandwagon" -- the list of foods with which most of his sensitive patients had trouble. Eating simple foods which the majority of "western" people can consume with impunity, for long periods of time, gives our bodies a chance to do what they were designed to do -- heal itself. Cleaning up deleterious habits like shorting ourselves on sleep and getting outside for sun and air help.
Humans are infinitely curious, like the monkeys and rats to which we're distantly related, though. We can't resist the temptation to TWEAK. We live to expand our horizons! We are extremely attracted to novelty. ...We can't leave well enough alone.
I'm not going to suggest anyone stop experimenting, because that's how we progress. I WILL, however, warn against the insidiousness of the "neolithic agents of disease." Just because i don't feel bad results from one small exposure to wheat or nightshades doesn't mean that little bits of damage aren't happening below the level of perception.
If we go back to the diet which got us into trouble in the first place, it's like falling for the half-truths of the popular media. "Oh, one little bite won't kill you!" may be true, but it certainly won't benefit you in the long run.
Some people are reading "resistant starch" and thinking "potato salad" or somesuch. It's actually a bit of cold or wam potato starch, which is probably like eating wallpaper paste. Tom made it clear that if you eat a baked potato, you're going to get a bunch of regular, digestible starch.
ReplyDeleteTom's a smart guy, and I like that he's not saying that everybody needs to do this, but I'm not sure why he's trying to avoid problems he's never had on a LC diet.
You bring up a good point about neolithic foods, though, which potatoes are. They have saponins, which can penetrate the gut and cause leaky gut and immune problems for some people.
people who defend tubers and fruits need reminding that the ones we get nowadays bear little resemblance to what is found wild!
Deleteknowing what we react to is VERY important to our continuing well-being! adapting to cope with problematic foods, which i believe is being done when people do their RS experiments, MIGHT just mask the subtle clues that our bodies give us, and could just be delaying the day of reckoning.
People often speak of fruitandvegetables as the same thing, but I view them as two very different food groups. Fruits are meant for consumption - hence the bright colours & sugary taste, while vegetables will use a whole plethora of phytochemical compounds to deter animals. Personally I limit my consumption of fruit because even a small apple will set off my blood sugar like a firecracker. But I know fruit, technically, is very ``Paleo`. To suggest otherwise invites an onslaught of wrath from the ``paleo`purists.
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Delete"he's not saying that everybody needs to do this"
DeleteWell, no, not directly. Indirectly, though, that's exactly what he's suggesting. He states in the comments somewhere that he's got none of the problems that the FTA-crowd ascribe to (v)lc, but that he'd better start consuming both 'safe' and 'resistant' starch lest he develop some of those problems. LOL
Clearly he's a little perturbed by HFLC judging from his comment about Jimmy's plate of eggs and butter.
just like the ridiculous conclusions Paul Jaminet jumped to, when he experimented with "zero carb" (WHICH WAS NOT REALLY WHAT HE CLAIMED IT WAS), i think the problems some people claim to be due to VLC are in fact NOT.
Deletei don't read FTA any more, but i am familiar with the quality of minds which are at home there. i can't trust or believe much of what they say, so i wouldn't be fashed to try to discuss the subject with them.
i only know what works for me, and when those whose knowledge and experience i can rely on says the same things DON'T work for them, i have to conclude that there's too much variation between us to generalize. i never feel better than when i'm either fasting, or eating a mainly-animal-product diet that avoids many plant products. :-) YMMV!
When your friend does something you don't agree with - it is a problem what to say to others, especially when it is the mutual cause.
DeleteIt is generally preferable to be in the state of open minds, but reading about different opinions and experiences may predispose people to extra experimenting, which , again, may be a good thing, but not when you found an already working regiment.
Deleteagreed, as usual, Galina! :-)
DeleteTom has never had the extreme metabolic derangement that Jimmy does -- i think very few people would have to go to the extremes that Jimmy does to deal with their tendency to obesity. most can improve with "sensible" changes, but extreme conditions call for extreme measures! i wish them both well.
Trouble with reintroducing is that for some it's like an AA meeting all the time, one drink is not enough and one is too many. I think this RS is a fad...I mean that's what folks say about my real gluten intolerance.
ReplyDeleteI'll stick with VLC. I have no anemia or hypothyroidism. My fasting blood sugar is 79-80 after 7 years of the WOE.
People can do as they please but those with real metabolic disease are playing with fire IMHO as a family practitioner. No, I don't push drugs for diabetes, I push diet.
people without health issues -- who are mainly trying to avoid "diseases of civilization" -- CANNOT extrapolate their experiences to those of us with real nutritional issues. it may just be human nature to do so, but it's WRONG.
Deleteeuthyroid athletes cannot measure a reduced T3 in themselves on a particular diet, and assume that "VLC causes hypothyroidism." "low T3" IS NOT hypothyroidism, to begin with! merely having cold feet and fatigue IS NOT hypothyroidism, no matter what the symptom-list tells you. merely cutting calories to the point that you drop tens of pounds is enough to slow metabolism ... but that STILL isn't real hypothyroidism. if you've never had it, you don't know the difference. it's like ME/CFS sufferers being told by normal people that "yeah, i get tired too." :-P
the ones that really have health issues who have found LCHF to help, i don't worry about. they may lose ground by trying some of these fads, but they at least know what DOES work and can come back to it. the experimenters who don't have anything really wrong with them will just have to see if they're still healthy in twenty years.... the ones i feel sorry for are the newly-diagnosed who WANT to do things right, but are so awed by authority they'll follow the ADA/AHA line to perdition!
Some healing also takes place. I had only one migraine with vomiting in a whole year and probably 6 one-day long ones when I could function 100% and to drive my car, but was sound-sensitive, I can eat carbs now without going hungry afterwards, but I avoid doing it regularly in order not change what works already. Every experiment cost me in a past some derangement, I had enough. We truly are naturally in the "looking for something else" mode, and I realized I had to stop doing that.
ReplyDeleteA low carb diet has also lessened migraine frequency for me. However I still get them from time to time. Fluorescent lighting is a huge trigger and if I don't get enough sunlight I also get migraines.
Deletei'm lucky that i don't get migraines (knock on wood)! i can imagine that when you know what sets you off, you'll avoid that situation ardently! ordinary headaches are bad enough....
DeleteGalina and Almond, if either of you would ever like to write a guest-post for me about your migraine experiences, i'd be honored to publish it!
Hi Tess. I can't speak for everyone (as I understand triggers are very individual), but I have had migraines since I was nine and it has been a sobering experience. When I get migraines it usually hits me like a ton of bricks and it lasts for around three days (less, if I am lucky). Some things that helps me to keep the migraines in check : quality sleep, regular light /dark patterns, abstaining from msg and all food additives if possible. I used to use a cellphone as an alarm clock and kept it by my bedside. Now I've chucked that habit as well. Before, on a SAD diet, I used to get migraines every two or three weeks. Now I get one in between two or three months. I hope it will go away soon, but I think there may be a genetic component to it. (My mother was also troubled by migraines).
DeleteThank you, Tess. I will try to gather my thoughts on the subject, and to see what comes out of it. It has a genetic component, Almond is right. Also, female hormones aggravate the condition. Several ladies told me they stopped having migraines after getting into menopause, and many girls start to have it close to the onset of a puberty. Who knows, may be I feel better because I am older, however I still menstruate.
DeleteIn general, the situation with migraines treatment is almost as mind-blogging as with thyroid problems, mood disorders, weight issues- medications work to a point, the complications of medical treatment are unpleasant. My attacks used to last 3 day, once it was 4, I was confined to a bed,couldn't eat, drinking liquids was a problem due to a vomiting, normally it happened at least once a month, but everything out of ordinary could cause it (stress, heated arguments, long air-flight, weather changes, not eating).
Hi Galba. Your symptoms sound exactly like mine! I can't help but wonder if there is a gut-brain connection as well. TMI ALERT HERE: I also tend to get headaches whenever my bowel movements get irregular or don't go for several days. So... Maybe gut micro biome is also a factor here? It can explain how migraines also tend to run in families.
DeleteAlso females tend to be more affected by it, I see that as well
Sorry, Galina, not Galba. Damn autocorrect!
DeleteAlmond, I am sure that migraine is a complex condition,Vagus nerve is involved, it is not just a pain in the half of your head, and it also has a strong GI component - hence the inability to eat, belching, vomiting, I often have an upset stomach right when migraine starts. I am sure of my observation that GI tract goes into an arrest or malfunction during the attack, that is why I vomit after drinking water - it can't leave my stomach the usual way. It is possible, the constipation is not the cause of your migraine, but the first signal that the migraine is coming. Do you take magnesium supplements?
DeleteI think the connection is not with microbiota here, but with the way how your nervous system functions. I got my migraines from my dad, my mom has none, I was vaginally delivered.
Galina, you have the most fascinating observations. :). I do agree the cause of migraines is complex and it's so hard to pinpoint one factor as the root cause(or maybe there is never one single thing in play?)
DeleteI also get strongly nauseous when a migraine attacks, but nausea always follow a migraine attack for me. I take magnesium. 300mg each day but I have recently upped it up to 500mg. I read somewhere that tyramine rich foods like cheese and cured meat and alcohol can also set people off. I was reading Marks daily Apple, and one commentor said that just the smell of satsumas can set off a migraine attack for her.
It is better to up your magnesium supps. if you have migraines , even more so during days when you are constipating. Sometimes I give myself an injection of 10 ml of magnesium sulfate into my butt when I feel like I need and extra help. When I know that migraine may be coming, I take Taurine at night time (Wooo's suggestion).
DeleteProbably, Tess is right, and I should start composing post on migraines , it will take a while.
GREAT! i look forward to it! :-)
DeleteOne of my friends in Russia who gave a LC diet a try, easily lost 20 kg (about 45 lb ) but as usual, within 10 kg from her preferable weight, then started to get relaxed a little bit as most people would. She really liked sweet flavored yogurts in small containers and decided to add one each day to her diet, then nothing bad happened, and then in a while she noticed the reappearance of 5 kg on a scale (slightly more than 10 lb) and clothes got tighter. She swears the change was almost instant, she dropped that yogurt, but 5kg stayed. There are so many factors besides calories and even the amount of carbs, may be she overlooked something else and noticed only the yogurt, but her case demonstrated for me one more time how difficult to predict results.
ReplyDeletecarbs always made my weight vary a lot from day to day! understandably, of course -- higher average insulin levels cause water retention as well as the water that's stored with glycogen. it would be easy to not notice small steady weight-gain under those circumstances.
DeleteI am not her, that yogurt doesn't have more than 15 grams of sugar, but for me the moral of the story - the weight regain is the result of the attitude relaxation. Unfortunately, small things add one to another.
Delete15g in one cup of yogurt adds up fast!
Delete" "Oh, one little bite won't kill you!" may be true, but it certainly won't benefit you in the long run. "
ReplyDeleteSo true Tess.
All the best Jan
and in addition, once you lay off snack foods for awhile, then try them again, they never taste as good as you remember they did! :-)
DeleteIf RN was the only one touting Resistant Starch, I probably wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, but I do feel that some other bloggers I admire have given it careful research and review and consideration. Jaminet has said specifically that there are concerns about the body's production of mucous on a VLC without what he calls "safe starches", and my optometrist noted that my eyes are exceptionally dry on the last exam. My nasal passages have been very dry and sore, and I have concerns about what's happening with my gut. What clinched that issue for me was hearing Richard K. Bernstein, the ultimate low carb T1 diabetic state in a recent interview that he has autoimmune issues with the mucosal lining of his gut, and he has lymphoma which he associates with that. Maybe there IS something to what Jaminet has to say about mucgens from "safe starches".
ReplyDeleteMy fasting blood sugar is not ideal, and I don't sleep all that well. After 72 lbs of weight loss I've been stalled for a long time, but I want to lose about 40 more pounds. Maybe this is worth a try. Should I reject it out of hand because it's called "starch" when it reportedly doesn't act like simple starch or a carb in the body?
For these reasons, I have been willing to consider trying RS. It's terrifying to eat anything with the name "starch" in it after 3 years of VLC and I've had the same gut reaction that you have had, but I decided to keep an open mind and experiment for myself CAREFULLY. I am watching several parameters as I introduce RS into my diet:
Blood glucose--fasting and post prandials after ingesting starches
Weight
Ketones measured by a Ketonix Breath Meter
Quality of sleep
I did some "pilot studies" just to see if RS in the form of Potato starch would cause me any problems, and small doses (1 tbsp. at a time) so far have not. My BG stays low post prandial, and is lowER in the morning. I went from mid 90's to mid 80's for FBG. My weight has stayed within the lower side of the same range it's been in for MONTHS ( have about a 3 lb range).
So now I've been trying some RS foods--cooked and cooled rice, rice noodles and wraps, cooked and cooled potatoes. I'm not going overboard with quantity. So far, BG is steady, so is weight.
I got a Ketonix breath meter just yesterday, and according to that meter I'm in moderate ketosis despite eating homemade salad rolls with rice wrappers for breakfast, filled with small amounts of rice noodles. And I had 1 tbsp. of potato starch before bed last night. So far, these little "pilot studies" make me thing it will be OK, but I'll continue to watch more carefully. I'm ready to "clean up my mess" as Gwen would say, if things don't stay on the right path. I'm keeping an open mind, but I'm trying to be careful at the same time.
Of course I'm a tweaker. I would not have succeeded at low carb without it, because I would have been stuck with carb ladders and thinking that any old frankenfood was OK as long as it's low carb. I'd wager that none of your readers would be here if they weren't tweaking what works for them here or there. I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as you're honest to yourself about what and why you are doing it.
You are making a sort of "slippery slope" argument--try a little PS here, then all of the sudden you find yourself knee deep in Twinkies. I'd like to think (hope) that I'm smarter than that. I guess we'll find out ;o)
i hadn't thought of it as a slippery-slope issue, but you could be right. not everybody has trigger-food issues, and once healed not everyone needs to be exceptionally careful anymore. but i AM dubious about the wisdom of returning to the use of NADs because we see how damaging they can be, and that the damage accrues so slowly.
DeleteJanKniz,
DeleteIf you worry, try that RS, what if you find the result satisfactory? I would also add gelatin (1 Tbs of "bloomed "to your morning coffee, for example) and/or , probably, some store-bought pectin to other foods. I also cook meat bones and pig feet in a pressure-cooker for 3 hours, bones get rather soft and chew-able.
In my case RS gave me an outstanding flatulence, and adding cold potatoes and beets salad to my diet caused a weight regain a while ago. Remember that changes and adaptations require time.
I need some advice. I have been on the paleo diet for about two months and lost 50 pounds. I have 50 more to lose. Until the last week I was "high" all the time. I had ten times the energy and all of my aches and pains disappeared. I started exercising because I had so much energy I couldn't help it. But, in the last week I definitely don't feel that "high" anymore. I'm pretty sure I haven't lost any more weight. Any ideas? Any advice would be helpful. I'm 40, male and currently weigh about 300 lbs.
DeleteRick, do you do low-carb? :-) I've heard of "new vegan high" but not "new paleo high"
DeleteYes, I only eat the stuff on the paleo that is low carb. I eat eggs and sausage for breakfast. Spinach salad with olive oil and vinegar (rice or balsamic) for lunch and green vegetables and beef, pork or chicken for dinner. I never eat sugar, corn, rice or potatoes or any refined carbohydrates. I swear to your that for the first six weeks I was as high as you can get. I mean it was like my brain had been turned up to 11. My consciousness took on and elevated state. I felt more alive and aware than ever before in my entire life. I had lost weight before in my 30's with the Adkins Diet, but this was different. On Adkins I always felt headache, and generally tired and grouchy. The only thing I can think of would be the elimination of dairy with the paleo. Before I would gorge on dairy because it was "low carb". Also I had severe knee pain that was eliminated in four days on the paleo diet. I'm still sticking to paleo but I'm starting to stray a bit more. Letting myself have corn chips with sour cream sometimes. It's getting harder and harder to be militant about every single bite. I'm tempted to take a break, although I will remain gluten free. Nothing will ever tempt me to have any food that contains gluten. In my mind, that's what has made the biggest difference. I was on a high doing low carb paleo! I thought everyone experienced that. That's why I thought it was so popular. Thanks for any help.
Deletesome people can "get away with" eating things that make other people miserable. if there's anything i've learned over the past few years, it's that there's a huge amount of variation in what the "perfect" diet is for each of us!
Deletethe more strict we are, the faster our progress, but of course we want to enjoy life as we go along. :-) i suspect that the stricter YOU are, the better you feel -- which is my interpretation of what you call your "high." all of us who love our paleo template certainly feel some degree of improved wellness -- better energy, flexibility, reduced pain and so on. consider yourself "blessed" to feel SO much better!
When I started a LC diet, I felt like I'd live forever, it was that good. I don't think any feeling like that lasts forever, just like a honeymoon doesn't last forever.
DeleteIf you eat a big plate of nachos and get horsewhipped with joint pain, it might help you stay on the straight and narrow afterward. If you just want variety, have you tried some different recipes, like sunflower crackers or kale chips or coconut sour cream (all paleo)?
It may be easier for people like me a type two diabetic. I have no choice but to low carb. The only alternative is medication, much of which has proved to be dangerous and pretty useless in keeping blood glucose at non diabetic levels. That being said, Jan has low carbed (50 grams max) with me for over five years. She can eat whatever she wants, but genuinely likes the lifestyle and the foods we eat.
DeleteThere is no doubt about it, work has to be put in, and we have to learn to cook, but the internet is awash with fantastic food ideas and recipes. The nay sayers are many, but it is beyond my comprehension how a straight thinking person can argue against a diet based on whole fresh food. Take away most fruits (other than berries ) and some starchy vegetables, all fresh whole unprocessed foods are low carb, and that's a fact.
Kind regards Eddie
Rick, most people who need to loose weight, don't drop weight as a stone, many have to alter diets in order to move from a weight-loss plateau. For some people too much nuts is a problem, others have to go easy on dairy and especially cheese, eating within 6 - 8 hours eating window (for example at 10 and 6pm) helps too . Check the site of Dr.Eades proteinpower.com, especially archives. For cooking ideas go to http://lowcarbdietsandrecipes.blogspot.com/ . I like to cook, but I started to use more and more simple recipes because LCarbing predispose to it.
DeleteJan, I have been on a celiac lit bender, and Bernstein sounds like a classic, albeit "silent" celiac. Celiac is related to T1DM, lymphoma and Sjogren's and other AI conditions. My blog will be moving more in this direction, as I try to tease out what is going on with me. This may be the case with others, and I am beginning to believe, one of the major reasons why LC works so well for so many.
DeleteOkay well, I don't have mucous issues either and Dr. Bernstein eats wheat, is not gluten free and therefore may have autoimmune disease strictly from that. No, I don't know him but I have read both of his books cover to cover so I could recommend them. My caveat is no flour of any kind on my VLC diet.
ReplyDeleteThe mucous "problem may be that they have overactive mast cells from years of grain ingestion and may need to let it ride to equalize. Just a thought.
My question is, if you have true metabolic disease how can you risk elevating your blood sugar and endangering your epithelium any further? Are you sure it won't kick you over into lymphoma? I have watched several people die of lymphoma that were "bread lovers" ...is there a correlation? I don't know I'm asking.
i've heard the argument that mucin deficiency has nothing to do with dietary glucose -- that it's truly an effect of inadequate glycine/proline intake or a difficulty in producing mucin at all. i'm not qualified to make a judgement about it. i AM more inclined to believe R. D. Feinman and Peter D. on the subject than Jaminet, though.
DeleteWhen I eliminated gluten from my diet I noticed that my sinuses were dryer and it was much easier to breathe through my nose. I wouldn't say I had a problem with dryness but if there is some other health issues I can see how it may combine to give you a problem. I definitely wouldn't add gluten back into my diet. Also I use to have severe allergy attacks in the spring, which I have avoided for the most part. I would say it was a 99% improvement.
DeleteHi Tess
ReplyDelete“We can't resist the temptation to TWEAK.”
This is one of the biggest failings in the human race. We can’t resist changing something that works, especially when it comes to diet. My advice is when you find something that works, stay with it and get on with your life. Continual tweaking can drive a person nuts. Look how many nutters we constantly come across, that are constantly having scans and blood test etc. yet they seem pretty healthy to me, and have not reported any major health issues. Do these people want to live for ever? They seem to spend their whole life tweaking and meddling, while their life ebbes away, not my idea of a life. I never thought about health for the first 58 years of my life.
So many young people seem to be obsessed with looking for the holy grail of health, in my day it was sex, money, having a good time and acquiring lots of stuff, not necessarily in that order, but you know what I mean.
I have a vision of a healthy man that spends 50 years getting it all perfect, then drops dead the next week, having spent most of his life surfing the internet, and a fortune on medical bills and tests. Life is for living not turning yourself into a failed science experiment. Only saying.
Kind regards Eddie
that has occurred to me, too, looking at young people who seem to be online for ridiculously huge amounts of time, and at all hours of the day and night. at that age, they SHOULD be having a lot more fun! ;-)
DeleteThanks for the advice. I skipped my supplements for a few days and that was a big mistake. I think it might have been my only problem. Today I resumed my usual course and feel much better. I'm still having a hard time believing that those pills that I used to think were snake oil have had that big of an affect on my sense of well being. Since I am a male I am unable to cook all the fancy stuff. I basically have to stick to the very simple. Meat and vegetables. Also I don't live in a big city and don't have access to any exotic ingredients. I also can't afford them, even if they were available. Hopefully I won't hit the wall until after I hit my goal.
DeleteWhen I tell people that I have lost fifty pounds by eating a high fat diet they look at me like I'm crazy. A few people have offered to pay for a medical test to prove that I'm going to keel over dead, even though I feel like I'm on top of the world. Isn't feeling good more important than looking good. I mean if someone gave you a choice between the two, what would choose. I just got finished reading the book "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes and I have to say, personally I have no reservations about the lifestyle of low carb eating. It basically says that low carb foods are all naturally good for you, no matter what doctors and nutritionist say. I also am of the opinion that our fair government very much knows that fact as well. However the food production system in this country couldn't produce enough high quality fresh food to feed us all. Think about it. If everyone in America started eating the way we eat tomorrow, the produce and meat aisle would be stripped clean in minutes. People would be forced to eat bread and processed foods because that's all that would be left. That's why there going to take twenty years to put this info out there. Also they are arrogant and don't want to admit that their wrong. I've had enough of being sick and tired. I will never eat bread again, never another sandwich and never another pizza. Even if I have to go hungry. I would rather fast. Thank you for letting me vent, I promise I'm not a nut job, but I do like raw almonds!
DeleteWelcome to the dark side Rick.
DeleteGood luck and health to you and yours. Great comment and spotonski !
Eddie
Ha!! Thanks. I also wanted to report a sad event today. An acquaintance of mine who is twenty five has struggled with his weight all his life like me. He was under so much pressure to lose weight, like I was also and he got the lap band surgery about eight months ago. He gave me all his fat clothes three months after his surgery. I saw him at the market and I couldn't believe my eyes. He had regained over a hundred pounds and was actually bigger than he was before. Limping and moving slower than he ever did. Even though I hadn't seen him since I lost fifty pounds, he didn't ask what I had been doing and I didn't want to embarrass him any further so I just said it was good to see him, and didn't discuss his weight gain. I was shocked. I thought the lap band was like having your jaw wired shut. How can you regain a hundred pounds in barley six months? Honestly, when I saw how much weight he initially lost I went to one of those free seminars that the local surgeons have. They tell you it's impossible to lose even twenty pounds. They tell you that you should just give up and that the surgery is a guaranteed way to keep the weight off. I'm so glad I didn't get that surgery. I have to admit I was very seriously considering it. If I had done it I would not have had to educate myself about proper nutrition. I would still be craving those McDonald's milkshakes and French fries. When I saw him I felt like I literally had dodged a bullet.
DeleteRick
DeleteCheck this woman out, a fantastic example for what can be done. You can do it too ! All the best.
http://poonapalooza.blogspot.co.uk/
Eddie
My neighbor who was morbidly obese before her gastric by-pass surgery is morbidly obese again. It took her 5 - 7 years to regain weight, but her surgery was more invasive. I heard rumors that some people after such surgeries start drinking melted Hugendas and milkshakes and eat candies.
ReplyDelete"If you worry, try that RS, what if you find the result satisfactory? I would also add gelatin (1 Tbs of "bloomed "to your morning coffee, for example) and/or , probably, some store-bought pectin to other foods. I also cook meat bones and pig feet in a pressure-cooker for 3 hours, bones get rather soft and chew-able.
ReplyDeleteIn my case RS gave me an outstanding flatulence, and adding cold potatoes and beets salad to my diet caused a weight regain a while ago. Remember that changes and adaptations require time."
I am trying it, so far so good--BG is low, ketosis maintained, no weight gain. I have a pretty healthy VLC diet otherwise--plenty of bone broth and gelatin, fermented foods daily, supplement with fish oil, vitamin D, and magnesium. I have not had any GI distress from adding the RS (RN would say because my good gut bugs are absent because of killer VLC, but I think they're just fine, thank you very much!). I think my sleep IS better. And I do admit it is FUN to have noodles, salad rolls, rice and potatoes again. I keep my portions reasonable (1/2 cup means 1/2 cup, not 2 cups!) and not daily. I'm watching everything like a hawk--it took HARD work and 3 years to get 72 pounds down and improvements in all my health markers. I'm not going to throw this away.
being vigilant will allow this to work for you! :-) congratulations on your achievements
DeleteJan, there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. It's ok to enjoy your food, if everything else is good and you don't need to lose weight, great. I need to lose another fifty pounds. That ain't gonna happen eating anything with that many carbs in it, regardless of what kind.
ReplyDeleteRick, I agree totally that there's no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. But perhaps I'm not explaining myself well. The theory is that RS is NOT a carbohydrate (confusing since it's called "starch"). Pure RS does not break down to sugar anywhere in the digestive tract--that's what carbohydrates do. It carries along more or less intact all the way to the large intestine, where the gut bacteria eat it, and (excuse the expression) poop out saturated fatty acids, NOT glucose. SFA's ARE essential. Video explanation here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI3KtR3LoqM
DeleteExcept for PS, most RS sources (like retrograded rice and potatoes) are not 100% resistant starch, so there is some carb that comes along for the ride. There is supposedly a "second meal" effect which lowers the blood glucose/insulin spike of carbohydrates taken with or after the ingestion of RS. It seems to be working in my case--I'm eating cooked and cooled rice and potatoes and NOT having any increase in BG or loss of ketosis. The other night though, my husband made beef hash. The potatoes were not retrograded, but I ate them anyway without having any RS that day. BG shot up and I felt horrible, had some GI distress, too. NOT a good idea. I have not had that reaction with cooked and cooled potatoes and rice.
oh lol, YOU HAVE TO READ MY RECENT POST!!!!
ReplyDeleteWell I read your last couple of post and I don't understand. It just sounds to me like you really like potatoes. Correct me if I'm wrong. Explain it to me like you would a child.
ReplyDeleteOK, not my latest one, read the RS post!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteYeah, once I ate some potatoes when I was a kid and my stomach was way off for a few days. Very painful.
DeleteWhat I really need advice on is how to maximize my saturated fat intake. I need foods that are high in saturated fat and don't take three hours to cook.
ReplyDeleteIt is not necessary for you food to swim in a butter, cook your veggies with added butter or coconut oil, make eggs for your breakfast with a reasonable amount of butter. Foreman grill is great for fast and carefree cooking, you can pre-cook your veggies frozen or fresh in a microwave and finish it on a skillet or just put butter on it.
DeleteRick, you might consider getting Dana Carpender's cookbook, "Fat Fast." The recipes are remarkably easy to make, very tasty, and are already heavy on the fat. i use mine constantly.
DeleteHey, Rick, looks like we are cross-posting. My posts were to Tess, not a specific response to yours. I am definitely low carb, and I sure don't like my potatoes! Jerusalem artichokes have inulin, not resistant starch, but some people think they work in a similar way. I never eat more than 1/2 cup a day, usually much less.
ReplyDelete:-) JAs have the additional virtue (with me anyway) of self-disciplining me against eating too many. the flatulence on over-indulgence can be impressive.
DeleteI'm hanging in there for the last couple days but, I feel so much hunger for the last three days in a row. I haven't had very many carbs. Just green beans, brussel sprout, spinach salad with olive oil, broccoli, asparagus with grilled chicken, beef, fish or pork. I've lost fifty pounds over the last three months, but now I've lost that high, energetic feeling. I want it back. I don't feel bad, but I was on top of the world for the last three months. Should I exercise? What should I add or take away from my food? Thank goodness I still don't have any inflammation, except a small very manageable case of plantar fasciitis in my right foot, but it used to be a hundred times worse. The song "you've lost that lovin feeling" is running through my mind. Ahhhhhggg! Am I going to be able to make it to my goal? I got fifty more pounds. Why can't the last fifty go as fast as the first?
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DeleteThe sad reality is, no one will give you 100% accurate answers, you need to do a lot of reading and experimenting, we all had to self-experiment a lot in order to find the working regiment. The people who need to loose a lot of weight are already in a compromised position because it is against of what your body is designed to do. In some people it is almost the equivalent of fighting the body change in a puberty. If you need a lot of fat to loose, just got used to the idea that it wouldn't be a smooth journey. I am sure that in your case your weight-loss of 50 lbs caused a drop in leptine which well could cause the drop in energy, hunger, coldness. I recommend you to go to Wooo's blog and read about supplements she used to compensate her drop in leptine and experiment with that. She lost 160 lb.http://itsthewooo.blogspot.com/search/label/Leptin
Personally, I would say "yes" to excising if you want more joy and the sense of a well-being in your life, just don't think it is the reason to eat more. If you are hungry, try to add fat, but be aware that the excess of calories hinders a weight loss. Check what you are eating in a fitday.com, it may surprise you.
I want also to add that it is important to find an exiting exercise activity to get more happy from doing it, and also keep it mind the importance of injury prevention, it can't be overemphasized. I think the best activity for overweight people besides walking is swimming, especially cardio classes in a swimming pool and bicycling, not the relaxed kind, but either mounting biking along uneven roads or doing sprint intervals on a road bicycle.
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ReplyDeleteI needed a little more energy in my lc diet also. My body doesn't do well on just meat and veges. I pretty much consider most non starchy veges zero carb. What works for me is berries with nuts in the morning. A little bit of sugar from the berries with the fat and fiber and protein from the nuts. Followed by my usual breaky and a walk. I have to make sure I consume enough sodium also or my energy lags. I was struggling with how to do lc but get some glucose( my liver just doesn't make any). Starch just puts me in a coma. Tried 1/2 a potato the other day(it was cold and reheated..so..resistant:-) I felt weird then fell asleep on the couch for 2 hours. So I like a little berries.. no coma. That said only you can find what works for you. I hope you feel better:-)
Thanks for responding guys. I think it does help to have someone to talk to about my diet. I have never posted on a blog before. I had a very good day today. I had four eggs and two sausage patties for breakfast, and I wasn't hungry again until 7:30 pm! I had a nice ribeye and a pound of broccoli. I think am going to continue to walk briskly for 30 min every other day, but try to remain active all day, every day. Me and the wife are going to Panama City Beach this weekend so it's definitely going to be some fun in the sun. Yeaaayy!!! I make a solemn vow to all of you not to consume an sugar, gluten, or refined carbohydrates. I'm serious. Thanks.
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