Oy.
Here's the thing -- if i WANTED to read certain people's incessant stream-of-consciousness garbage, i'd go to THEIR blogs. I don't. I think their points of view are wishful thinking and self-delusive.
Used to be, i'd get angry that they were leading the ignorant astray, but there comes a point when you have to intellectually cast aside people who won't even TRY to educate themselves ... let alone those who gorge on the cherries they've selectively picked for themselves. ;-) Hacking your own health is tricky enough, without taking upon oneself the vagaries of other people's personal biology. So, i'm not going to rage against the deceivers -- i'll just sit here and despise them.
Ironically, the blog-post-comment-sections at Hyperlipid which were so disastrously hijacked (and which spoiled the conversation for those like me who deplore verbal flatulence) i find to be Peter's responsibility -- he runs the place, and could have controlled it if he chose to. Perhaps he likes the lively "debate" -- but again, it's his "property" and if he doesn't want to rein in the noise, he doesn't have to. Unlike a physical neighbor, nobody has to get close enough to hear it if they don't choose to.
But it is still thoroughly disgusting. That anyone would go on and on for hundreds if not thousands of words on SOMEBODY ELSE'S TURF is repulsively self-important and disrespectful. If you want to spew, spew in your own space.
Pity. To catch the voices of wit, intelligence, reason and charm, like Melchior's, becomes difficult and tedious. We have to wade through the smug, the egomaniacal, and the truly insane to find the hidden gleam of the little pearls, amongst all that swine-defecation.
I unfortunately went to the animal site and read his latest....What he is not seeing is that all of us "sycophants" , are not. Some of us tried to tell him that he isn't the word on this topic, neither is he a doctor that deals with metabolic disease. I am and I am tired of the whole topic of what the Inuit ate. We are not them. Most of us are of European descent...our metabolic problems are different. As my Celiac disease keeps me from eating gluten, diabetes should keep one from eating carbohydrates. If you cannot process a food due to your own issues, don't eat it. I don't think everyone should eat a ketogenic diet, but I do think too many modern humans eat too many carbs. This is such a tiresome topic.
ReplyDeleteI won't gratify RN by adding to his visitor count -- he hasn't said anything useful to me in a very long time.
DeleteAgreed -- exactly what an unrelated tribe ate and how that affected their glucose/glycogen/FFA/ketone metabolism is (as I told Dr. Eades on twitter) just like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. May be interesting for hobbyists, but in the nutrition-blogosphere it's a waste of time and energy. We are NOT all the same in what we can tolerate and thrive on. There are too many genetic, hormonal, infectious, and other variables to take into consideration!
Nor, as you point out, do we all agree 100% with Peter's point of view ... but it's about the best we have. I certainly don't think that maximizing our capability of eating starches is a very worthy goal! :-)
made me look. LOL
ReplyDeleteWho has time to read all that shit? Not I. :p
sorry! :-) if you haven't been following the situation, in your boots I would have taken one look and scurried off.
Deletelong-winded ... WIND, most of it. Galina was incredibly patient to hang in there, trying to reason with some very irrational individuals.
It looks like the n#1 goal for Richard is attention. I checked what he posted as the response to the Inuits debate - he was enthusiastic about Dr.Eades coming and Peter saying something. During debates he was very happy to get a praise for an open-mindedness from a hostile vegan. For better or for worse I participated in the whole thing.
ReplyDeleteyour endurance was admirable! :-) i couldn't bring myself to read all those long spiels by the Starch Tag Team.
DeleteThey have this strange born-again zeal in their wish to save us all from impending LC doom. I'm afraid their efforts are wasted though. I much suspect most Hyperlipid readers are a recalcitrant bunch unlikely to be ameliorated by their musings on starch and gut bugs. At least I don't get the urge to follow their example at all.
ReplyDeletePeter is wise not to engage. I don't think Eades' exchange was terribly successful.
Perhaps it's the time of the year. Two years ago we had the whole episode with the good doctor. That was worse still.
i blame the carbs. ;-)
DeleteHi Tess
ReplyDeleteWhat amazes me, is the fact RN and a few others appear to want to spend what is left of their lives, debating what the Inuit may have ate or what their blood work may have looked like many years ago. Hour after hour, day after day, post after post, I am right you are wrong, what a way to spend your time, who are they helping? Only themselves I reckon, one day they will look back and think, did I really spend years of my life, arguing about what some bloke in an igloo ate two hundred years ago, and don’t forget all the RS nonsense.
One thing is for sure, none of us live like the Inuit, we can’t get hold of the food they once ate, even the Inuit can’t eat the food they once ate, so what’s the point? All wind up, bluff and bluster and buy my latest book, download my latest DVD, come along and pay to listen to my latest speech at the caveman symposium.
Carbsane is a classic example, endless noise and self aggrandizement, but says nothing of any use to the average person struggling to control a chronic disease, weight problem, or other food related conditions. In a way a diabetic has an advantage over non diabetics, they can prove to themselves every day their diet is working, a BG reading tells them they are on the right track. Normally when BG is running at non diabetic numbers, everything else falls into line for a diabetic and the good news is, they don’t have to live like an inuit to stay healthy and active. The great irony for me is RN and EK are two sides of the same coin, but only they cannot see it.
Kind regards Eddie
What amazes me is the idea of your health as a secondary concern and thinking about your GI microflore as your pets. People went far enough already making birthday cakes and giving Christmas presents to their dogs!
DeleteI guess that in Inuit situation their body adapted to use protein more as a source of energy than fat because it was the most abandon nutrient in their environment.
i hadn't looked at it in that light, Eddie, but it's indisputable! They ARE spending a shockingly high proportion of their time on it -- must mean they don't have "lives" that provide them any significant reward.
DeleteGalina, you're so perceptive -- that's EXACTLY what they're doing! :-D
I personally try to stay against bag guys in the defense against mixed diets.
ReplyDeletebravissima!!! that's just ONE of the reasons i like you!
DeleteThan you, Tess. I just din't pay much attention on them, but when I really started to listen, I couldn't avoid to notice that what they were saying lacked common sense. It happens more and more when I read discussions on some blogs - all bells and whistles, links to a research, but the content flares in a face to my whole life experience.
DeleteI noticed it with Jane - when nuts talk long enough, they start to say total bs. I just can't ignore it now, even though time may be wasted. DD placed a comment that Inuit mothers were doing all in their power to provide infants with as much carbs as possible by breastfeeding for at least 4 years and feeding them bread (very traditional practice, I am sure). Richard and bug company will be saying there is nothing wrong with a wheat in a short while.