tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post2376469227889334610..comments2023-05-14T10:37:22.333-05:00Comments on tess's paleo journey: VERY poor grasp of history...tesshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-55498595713432438552014-11-26T10:33:06.237-06:002014-11-26T10:33:06.237-06:00poor kid! that was a dirty trick -- and very poss...poor kid! that was a dirty trick -- and very possibly a passive-aggressive intentional act. :-(tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-41968685808469586692014-11-26T10:08:07.702-06:002014-11-26T10:08:07.702-06:00And my mother still holds a grudge towards her ste...And my mother still holds a grudge towards her stepmother for roasting a pet hen of hers for Sunday dinner when she was a child - "She was the only one I could catch"! Needless to say, Mom abstained...Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03152215204773184788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-11871142867133840492014-11-26T10:05:09.840-06:002014-11-26T10:05:09.840-06:00Yep, in order to stay w/in that time frame, it ave...Yep, in order to stay w/in that time frame, it averages out around 6 MPH (jog-trot)... Of course, the "hot shoes" race much faster - I believe our most recent 50-mi championship ride was won in about 3:45 (that would be cantering the entire course).<br />By comparison, my all-time record for a 50 stands at 5 hrs (an icy New Year's Day on my wonderful QH mare - she could keep up w/the Arabs if the temps stayed low!)Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03152215204773184788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-58882105695544204962014-11-25T11:40:17.871-06:002014-11-25T11:40:17.871-06:00Your grandma diet is so similar to the food I grew...Your grandma diet is so similar to the food I grew-up on! I even still make noodles for my husband - he likes the the chicken soup with noodles, and the home-made one doesn't get soggy. It is ,actually, very simple thing to do and doesn't take much time. Borscht and sauerkraut are also frequent on out menu. From my trips to Russia I always bring a lot of dried porcine mushrooms. <br />I am pleasantly surprised how many foods from my traditional cuisine I can have on a LC diet(not noodles and banns staffed with cabbage). It wouldn't be the case with all meat diet. Most traditional food recipes are designed around sparing of meat. <br />From observing my relatives, I can tell than traditional way of eating still allows a lot of foods which promote modern deceases, but later in life, and without a wide-spread obesity in a population. Traditional diets are way better than modern way of eating, but less healthy than a diet designed around individual health needs, or even a "Paleo" diet. For many people "better" is often not good enough.Galina L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09156132815504279615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-88018829710972232792014-11-25T10:36:51.126-06:002014-11-25T10:36:51.126-06:00wow, those ARE long rides! at what pace do you go...wow, those ARE long rides! at what pace do you go, mostly trotting? alternate canter and walk...?tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-89678551613481858322014-11-25T09:55:19.943-06:002014-11-25T09:55:19.943-06:00Uh-oh - be careful what you ask for ;-) !!! it'...Uh-oh - be careful what you ask for ;-) !!! it's easiest for me to quote from our rule book:<br />1. The ride must be at least 50 miles in length per day, up to a maximum distance of 150 miles in three days (although we do offer Limited Distance events of 25, 30, or 35 mi)<br />2. The equines must be under the control of control judge(s) experienced with equines or endurance rides. (almost always equine veterinarians)<br />3. The ride must be open to any breed or type of equine.<br />4. The ride must provide a specific amount of time (total competition time) which will include all stops and holds, and within which competitors must complete the ride to qualify for placing or completion.<br />(This translates into 6 hrs for a 25, 12 hrs for a 50, 24 hrs for a 100 mi ride)<br />But I think one of our most important rules is the "No Drugs" one - while we don't care how many NSAID's the rider pops in order to keep goin', you may not administer any medications or therapeutic interventions to your HORSE other than normal caretaking during the mandatory rest stops...Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03152215204773184788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-53651470775787761632014-11-25T08:20:59.406-06:002014-11-25T08:20:59.406-06:00oh, ABSOLUTELY! :-) True period fiction can some...oh, ABSOLUTELY! :-) True period fiction can sometimes give us pictures of the past that they never intended -- it's just extra dressing on the set of their stage, and as it addresses people who are living in the middle of it, there's no chance they can get away with BS. This trick doesn't work with modern fiction SET in the past -- those books that tell writers about details of past life are FULL of nonsense -- I've looked at some!<br /><br />My mother and grandmother used to quote that "chicken in every pot" line, and i had a children's book i vaguely remember that mentioned "chicken -- that's for Sunday," i.e. the most special day of the week in 20th-century America. :-) In my poultry-science class at K-State, i learned how very UNECONOMICAL small birds are -- you're paying for an awful lot of bone and connective tissue, which for us broth-lovers isn't BAD, but for the poor is mighty wasteful.tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-66023413254003561212014-11-25T08:06:37.418-06:002014-11-25T08:06:37.418-06:00I've never been a reader of the former, though...I've never been a reader of the former, though i have looked in from time to time. :-) I don't believe in the miraculous qualities of ANY food, though liver and raw oysters come closer than plants and dairy can....tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-12630129822919785102014-11-24T23:31:13.272-06:002014-11-24T23:31:13.272-06:00Back to poultry, though, there might be some real ...Back to poultry, though, there might be some real old timers around who still remember the campaign slogan, "a chicken in every pot." (They'd be pushing 100.) People who enjoy the classics should recall the practice of saving up for a Christmas goose, or the practice of employees receiving one as a bonus. (See this for one: http://books.google.com/books?id=buc0AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA171&dq=adventure+blue+carbuncle&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6BJ0VMC1PIuYyATE9YCgAQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=the%20adventure%20of%20the%20blue%20carbuncle&f=false)<br /><br />That should be a clue as to how expensive poultry was!Lori Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612141535162268390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-23331155308301583322014-11-24T23:18:14.328-06:002014-11-24T23:18:14.328-06:00The Paleo Diet blog has had more goofy posts latel...The Paleo Diet blog has had more goofy posts lately than Weston A. Price. You might call one the raw milk miracle site, the other, the raw vegetable miracle site. The Paleo Diet blog seems to be giving vegetarians and people with eating disorders permission to eat a little meat.Lori Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02612141535162268390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-73977758862880011932014-11-24T16:15:55.299-06:002014-11-24T16:15:55.299-06:00:-) my husband points out that it's too bad t...:-) my husband points out that it's too bad that "everybody" is learning how tasty the cheaper cuts of beef and pork are -- the increased demand will drive the price up! tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-84146918305843181312014-11-24T16:13:23.868-06:002014-11-24T16:13:23.868-06:00those are likely reasons indeed! it sounds as tho...those are likely reasons indeed! it sounds as though the foods she grew up with protected her before that....<br /><br />i think it was Mary Enig who pointed out what a boon Crisco seemed to be to kosher kitchens -- a vegetable fat which performed like lard or butter in baking or frying... Thank goodness for coconut oil, huh? :-)tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-43997560025141004592014-11-24T14:40:40.205-06:002014-11-24T14:40:40.205-06:00A great post JanKnitz your ancestors ate real food...A great post JanKnitz your ancestors ate real food, not the junk and failed science experiments most eat today. Offal has far more nutrients than the lean muscle meat most of us eat today.<br /><br />One thing is for sure, you do not have to be well heeled to eat well today. But you need to cook. Eat as our grandparents ate is a good start. <br /><br />Kind regards Eddie<br /><br />Lowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-63759964317592288982014-11-24T12:19:30.586-06:002014-11-24T12:19:30.586-06:00I often think about what my grandmother ate "...I often think about what my grandmother ate "in the old country" (Romania) in the late 1800's. They must have been desperately poor as there were 15 children. I don't know how often meat graced their table, but as a small child I remember true "nose to tail" eating as things like beef tongue, lungs, tripe, sweetbreads, liver, and stuffed intestine (kishke), chicken feet and chicken livers were served. My mom remembered eating cow brains growing up, too. Vegetables were typically what my grandmother grew up with: cabbage, beets, onions, carrots, potatoes. These are foods that could be stored in a long winter without refrigeration. Dessert was mostly stewed dried fruit "compote" and occasionally a sponge cake or coffee cake. A real treat in her house was chocolate orange sticks. She made her own noodles from scratch and bought an egg bread (challah) for the sabbath. During the week she ate a dark rye bread. She ate hot cereal for breakfast--usually cream of wheat or malt o'meal with salt, butter, and milk, never sugar (I was shocked when I saw people put sugar on oatmeal for the first time in college!). Scrambled eggs or soft boiled were often served for breakfast, too, with buttery challah toast made in the oven. Sauerkraut, pickles, and sour beet borscht were common, smoked or canned fish, and plenty of full fat dairy (whole milk delivered to her snowy back porch, sour cream, cream cheese, and hard cheeses often made up a "dairy" meatless meal). <br /><br />I don't know if she had access to all the meat and dairy regularly when growing up, but she ate pretty much the foods she was raised on. There was bread, noodles, and potatoes, and hot cereal, but meals were never "grain based" except hot cereal mornings. She never skimped on fat--she saved me the marrow bones because I loved them. And much of her food was cooked in schmaltz (rendered chicken fat) because religious Jews can't use dairy butter when meat is served at a meal. <br /><br />I blame the switch to "heart healthy margarines and vegetable shortening" and removal of organ meats and animal fats from her diet for her late in life health issues. JanKnitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06178703790352191912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-33014301570533378432014-11-24T11:43:26.222-06:002014-11-24T11:43:26.222-06:00they're probably SASS riders -- SASS folks ten...they're probably SASS riders -- SASS folks tend to go for a superficial oldfashionedness rather than aiming for the authentic. the ladies' dresses are appalling. ;-) OTOH, i have a friend in Utah who jumps her horse side-saddle....<br /><br />what do these events of yours entail? i'm not familiar with them....tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-3248200728857324222014-11-24T10:13:15.232-06:002014-11-24T10:13:15.232-06:00I often say that the purpose of endurance riding i...I often say that the purpose of endurance riding is to make us appreciate modern-day conveniences like the flush toilet, running water, and the internal combustion engine ;-)<br />And while we have a few "re-enactment types": riders who outfit themselves as cowboys, most are tricked out w/all the latest high-tech bells & whistles - from heart monitors to electrolyte/BCAA supplements. Myself, I'm a hybrid of the two styles - still trying to find the right combination of supplements/fluid replacement so I can stay the course! (my horses OTOH, do great w/minimal intervention) Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03152215204773184788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-76922809647745309622014-11-24T08:40:32.588-06:002014-11-24T08:40:32.588-06:00it seems to be extremely important, in lands with ...it seems to be extremely important, in lands with less sunshine, to eat the traditional diets which kept ancient populations healthy!<br /><br />i was reading only yesterday how even already-picked mushrooms can be innoculated with sunshine and stored for later, as a form of home-made vitamin D supplements -- fascinating!tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-13352995525785707852014-11-24T08:33:52.414-06:002014-11-24T08:33:52.414-06:00thanks for the extra documentation, Eddie! it rea...thanks for the extra documentation, Eddie! it really looks like the authors of that paper were relying on information designed to look at England through rose-colored glasses....tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-71513533139117887892014-11-24T08:24:22.947-06:002014-11-24T08:24:22.947-06:00Precisely!Precisely!tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-91906472251364706152014-11-24T01:45:11.867-06:002014-11-24T01:45:11.867-06:00The return of rickets: Victorian disease on the ri...The return of rickets: Victorian disease on the rise due to poor diet and lack of exercise.<br /><br />Modern children' s lifestyles are putting them at risk of developing rickets, doctors have warned. The bone disease, which was the scourge of Victorian Britain, is making a comeback because poor diets and the decline in outdoor play have led to a vitamin D deficiency.<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1244988/Victorian-disease-rickets-rise-poor-diet-lack-exercise-doctors-warn.html<br /><br />http://www.victorianweb.org/history/poorlaw/dietwh.html<br /><br />http://www.parkfieldict.co.uk/infant/victorians/life.html<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Lowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-72598707110724115892014-11-24T01:32:34.973-06:002014-11-24T01:32:34.973-06:00""In short, the majority of even the poo...""In short, the majority of even the poorest mid-Victorians lived well"<br /><br />Don't make me larf !<br /><br /> . Esther Copley's Cottage Cookery (1849) suggests the poverty of the rural diet, for her recipes were for potato pie, stirabout, stewed ox-cheek, and mutton chitterlings. In Wiltshire, admittedly one of the poorer counties, the Poor Law Commission found that the standard fare consisted of bread, butter, potatoes, beer, and tea, with some bacon for those earning higher wages. . . .If the rural poor ate birds then the urban poor ate pairings of tripe, slink (prematurely born calves), or broxy (diseased sheep). Edgar Wallace recollects working-class families along the Old Kent Road shopping for 'tainted' pieces of meat and 'those odds and ends of meat, the by-products of the butchering business.' Sheep's heads at 3d each and American bacon at between 4d and 6d a pound (half the price of the native product) were too expensive for the irregularly-employed casual labourer to have frequently. In Macclesfield 23 per cent of the silk workers and in Coventry 17 per cent of the labourers had never tasted meat. Stocking weavers, shoe makers, needle women and silk weavers ate less than one pound of meat a week and less than eight ounces of fats. . . .<br /><br />http://www.victorianweb.org/science/health/health8.html<br /><br />The majority of the poor ate a very limited and poor diet in the UK before and during WW2 only after the war did the situation begin to improve for the working classes. Due to the war food rationing was still in place for my early years. Now we are going back in time with hundreds of thousands relying on free food (not much fresh I suspect) from charities. The poor these days are getting plenty of calories, but are suffering from malnutrition, hence the huge rise in diet related chronic disease.<br /><br />Kind regards EddieLowcarb team memberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961199165290289611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-67548074130310344622014-11-23T23:58:00.900-06:002014-11-23T23:58:00.900-06:00This little piggy had roast beef,This little piggy...This little piggy had roast beef,This little piggy had none,daveizmirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16666864865977250272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-35187663844996319202014-11-23T21:00:26.158-06:002014-11-23T21:00:26.158-06:00Thank you, Tess. I lived in an experiment designed...Thank you, Tess. I lived in an experiment designed to build a just Utopian society, and it lasted only a short time from a historical point of view, but it gave me some insides into the life without a capitalism and modern conveniences. When capitalism is blamed for all modern ills, I sigh and think that money is the best regulator so far, even when the imperfect one. The alternative to market forces is a bureaucracy. We can fight what we don't like only by changing our demand.<br />I am sure you found your hobby very beneficial. It is empowering to have the skills others don't have. We all grew too dependent on modern conveniences, and life can be unpredictable.Galina L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09156132815504279615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-50245646660259280262014-11-23T20:56:00.119-06:002014-11-23T20:56:00.119-06:00OKAY -- these writers just ruined it all....
&quo...OKAY -- these writers just ruined it all....<br /><br />"In short, the majority of even the poorest mid-Victorians lived well, despite all their disadvantages and what we would now consider discomforts. Those that survived the perils of childbirth and infancy lived as long as we do, and were healthier while they were alive their prolonged good health was due to their high levels of physical activity, and as a consequence, how and what they ate. We could learn a good deal from them."<br /><br />^^^ this statement is full of shit.tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221767529759848946.post-58808128211614262382014-11-23T20:22:36.568-06:002014-11-23T20:22:36.568-06:00It's always so interesting when you tell us ab...It's always so interesting when you tell us about life in Russia, Galina! :-) <br /><br />We see the romanticizing of history a lot in the reenacting world -- so many people imagine they'd like living in another time and place, but they don't realize it was just "everyday life" to the people who were there! For myself, living short periods of time without modern amenities just teaches me how lucky we are to have them, and how we take them for granted.tesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254045589639201707noreply@blogger.com